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[KL] PC88 dead key help
jefferycconners@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-13 21:08:22 UTC
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Hi! This is my first post with this group. I have a PC88 that for the most part is in great shape. I have 4 keys in the bass register, Low C, Ab, and 2 E's that aren't working. I opened it up and cleaned both velocity circuit boards, bass and treble which didn't do the trick. The rubber contacts are all fine. I switched the 20 pin ribbon cables around and still no sound on those 4 notes. I thought it was the ribbon cables. Am I missing something else to check? Any PC88 guru advice would be a godsend as I regularly gig with this. Thanks very much in advance!
winking_n_nodding@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-13 21:37:37 UTC
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If you count from lowest key upward by 8, you will see the pattern of every eight key bad. 123bad5678123bad5678 etc or start on 1st bad, bad2345678bad2345678bad, etc.


You will find an open or cracked circuit trace between the last bad and the next count that works.


You can visually spot, look for green/blackish stains from copper oxide from corrosive spill or droppings. or obvious cracks. A jumper wire between the last bad and first good will fix.


Each key has two contacts. The second to make is the problem, not the first to make. If it was the first, every eight key would trigger at full velocity.
Jeff Conners jefferycconners@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-13 21:49:41 UTC
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Hello!  Thank you thank you thank you!  You are right a perfect pattern.  I'll take the board off again and check out.  I have no idea how to do a jumper wire.  Should I just buy a new circuit board? 
I can't thank you enough for your help.  I'm pretty handy so if you could explain how to do the jumper wire I sure I could do it.Many many thanks!jeff

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  If you count from lowest key upward by 8, you will see the pattern of every eight key bad.123bad5678123bad5678 etc or start on 1st bad, bad2345678bad2345678bad, etc.
You will find an open or cracked circuit trace between the last bad and the next count that works.
You can visually spot, look for green/blackish stains from copper oxide from corrosive spill or droppings. or obvious cracks.  A jumper wire between the last bad and first good will fix.  
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winking_n_nodding@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-14 03:58:04 UTC
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You can replace the contact board.

Good news is that all 88 key contact boards are the same assemble from the PC88 till now. They are all made by FATAR. The PC88 contacts boards are the same assemble used on the K series, the PC2, the PC3(88key), the Mk5, 10, 12, 110, 112 etc. Same part for 22 years plus.


There is one difference. The early contact board had a different connector between the upper and lower contact boards than the new ones.. This is the 4 pin connector, about one inch long.


The early was gray, the later was red and possible a different color today.


You could just replace both.. You can also remove the old connector from the bad board and swap with the new if they are different. This would require de-soldering and re soldering.
Baxter Virginia vbaxter@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-14 10:22:07 UTC
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On Fri, 7/14/17, ***@yahoo.com [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 6:58 AM


 









You can replace the contact board.
Good news is that all 88 key contact
boards are the same assemble from the PC88  till now.
 They are all made by FATAR.  The PC88 contacts boards are
the same assemble used on the K series, the PC2, the
PC3(88key), the Mk5, 10, 12, 110, 112 etc.   Same part for
22 years plus.  
There is one difference.  The early
contact board had a different connector between the upper
and lower contact boards than the new ones..  This is the 4
pin connector, about one inch long.
The early was gray, the later was
red and possible a different color today.
You could just replace both..  You
can also remove the old connector from the bad board and
swap with the new if they are different.  This would
require de-soldering and re soldering. 









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Jeff Conners jefferycconners@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-14 11:12:45 UTC
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Hello;Can't thank you enough for the info.  I had no idea all the 88 key contact boards are the same for those models / years.  That is very helpful.  Mine have the red connectors.  There is a fellow on this form who has one who I can buy from.  I also have a Kurzweil PC2 which I could swap out the board until the replacement one arrives.  I love using the PC88 live....just something about the feel of those keys, and of course the original piano patches are my personal favorites.  Now I can do my gigs this weekend with the PC88.  
Again thank you for your help!  you are a life and gig saver!  Have a great day...jeff

From: "Baxter Virginia ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
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On Fri, 7/14/17, ***@yahoo.com [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 6:58 AM


 









You can replace the contact board.
Good news is that all 88 key contact
boards are the same assemble from the PC88  till now.
 They are all made by FATAR.  The PC88 contacts boards are
the same assemble used on the K series, the PC2, the
PC3(88key), the Mk5, 10, 12, 110, 112 etc.   Same part for
22 years plus.  
There is one difference.  The early
contact board had a different connector between the upper
and lower contact boards than the new ones..  This is the 4
pin connector, about one inch long.
The early was gray, the later was
red and possible a different color today.
You could just replace both..  You
can also remove the old connector from the bad board and
swap with the new if they are different.  This would
require de-soldering and re soldering. 









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2017-07-14 16:58:51 UTC
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Just to pile on for a relatively simple (i think) problem ... I have a K2500xs that has one key that triggers at full volume all the time I'm guessing the trigger pads but is that usually a cleaning situation or should I just replace the contacts?

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From: "Jeff Conners ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: "***@yahoogroups.com" <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
Date: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 2:49 PM

Hello! Thank you thank you thank you! You are right a perfect pattern. I'll take the board off again and check out. I have no idea how to do a jumper wire. Should I just buy a new circuit board?


I can't thank you enough for your help. I'm pretty handy so if you could explain how to do the jumper wire I sure I could do it.
Many many thanks!
jeff


From: "***@yahoo.com [KurzList]" <***@yahoogroups.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:37 PM
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If you count from lowest key upward by 8, you will see the pattern of every eight key bad.
123bad5678123bad5678 etc or start on 1st bad, bad2345678bad2345678bad, etc.

You will find an open or cracked circuit trace between the last bad and the next count that works.

You can visually spot, look for green/blackish stains from copper oxide from corrosive spill or droppings. or obvious cracks. A jumper wire between the last bad and first good will fix.

Each key has two contacts. The second to make is the problem, not the first to make. If it was the first, every eight key would trigger at full velocity.
winking_n_nodding@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-14 19:38:50 UTC
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Correct. Contacts are cheaper than labor, replace them all. They are under 4 USD for a 12 key section, if you shop.
Raven Clemons clemonsraven@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-15 06:51:04 UTC
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Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 10:38 PM


 









Correct.  Contacts are cheaper than labor, replace
them all.  They are under 4 USD for a 12 key section, if
you shop.









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Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 10:38 PM





 



















Correct.  Contacts are cheaper than labor,
replace

them all.  They are under 4 USD for a 12 key section,
if

you shop.



















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itchins Keith Constiinta nationala si actiune politica la
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astige o pondere tot mai insemnata in cadrul Academiei reflectand astfel progresele stiintei romanesti in acea epoca.
Alex Gotesman agotes99@aol.com [KurzList]
2017-07-16 03:46:09 UTC
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Let me know
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Post by Baxter Virginia ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]
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Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017, 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 10:38 PM
Correct. Contacts are cheaper than labor,
replace
them all. They are under 4 USD for a 12 key section,
if
you shop.
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itchins Keith Constiinta nationala si actiune politica la
romanii din Transilvania. 1700-1868
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astige o pondere tot mai insemnata in cadrul Academiei reflectand astfel progresele stiintei romanesti in acea epoca.
'jefferycconners@yahoo.com' jefferycconners@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-07-16 19:53:45 UTC
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Wow it took 3 days to transfer the money from my bank to paypal.  Do u still have the contact board?

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On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Alex Gotesman ***@aol.com [KurzList]<***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:  

I have contacts available Let me knowThanks

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On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:11 PM, Murillo Gala ***@yahoo.com [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

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On Sat, 7/15/17, Raven Clemons ***@yahoo.com [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2017, 9:51 AM


 











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On Fri, 7/14/17, ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]
<***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Subject: Re: [KL] Re: PC88 dead key help

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, July 14, 2017, 10:38 PM





 



















Correct.  Contacts are cheaper than labor,
replace

them all.  They are under 4 USD for a 12 key section,
if

you shop.



















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