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[KL] How to format larger than 2gb?
jsepeta@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-08-23 10:24:53 UTC
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I have a few 4gb compact flash cards and an 8gb compact flash card. How can I format them into separate partitions to be read on my K2500XS?


Also I purchased 2 SCSI to SD devices, and could not get the 4gb Micro SD card to be formatted for use with a K2000RS. Any suggestions? Maybe I'll buy a smaller Micro SD
dan@theluthers.net [KurzList]
2017-08-23 12:38:12 UTC
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You can't format larger than 2GB, but you can have up to 4 2GB partitions on your card the SCSI2SD device treats as separate drives which the Kurzweil sees. The new V6 boards can emulate up to 7 SCSI devices, but with the floppy, host and external SCSI port I'm not sure if you can actually go as high as 5.
david3day@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 12:06:45 UTC
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Guys,

To operate more than one partition on these drives requires partitioning the drive. Obvious, but it cannot be done in the K2500XS.

Back in the day, it meant slinging the SCSI drive into a Win3.1 PC with legacy 50pin SCSI adapter, Adaptec cable, and running DISKPART. The DOS implementation on the K2500XS was good to 2Gb because of the physical addressing made possible by the formatting of the drive - it is essentially an adaptation of the floppy drive DOS, not a full HD DOS implementation. IIRC they called it DOS12 - someone may correct me.

This makes it "almost" HD DOS compatible, but with one significant drawback. If you format your internal SCSI drive using the K2500XS operating systems, those higher partitions are possible. Only DISKPART on the PC could create those higher 2Gb partitions for you. I made it work by removing the 8Gb drive, formatting it as a removeable SCSI drive, and then rebuilding the K2500XS. Crucial to this process was a checkbox against the drive called "INT13" which if set marked the drive as removeble. Microsoft removed this setting in XP and later operating systems.

In reality, one of the best parts of that old Adaptec ISA SCSI card was being able to access the internal drive from Windows. For data back up this was a gift. Provided you did not attempt to access the drive from both systems at once you were fine that is - a sure fire way to screw it up. Data loss is not something I have experienced from the SCSI drive though, so far so good.

I am very interested in finding a solid state solution to both HD and FD in the K2500. Data backup is crucial in any system.
david3day@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 12:10:32 UTC
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Guys,

To operate more than one partition on these drives requires partitioning the drive. Obvious, but it cannot be done in the K2500XS.

Back in the day, it meant slinging the SCSI drive into a Win3.1 PC with legacy 50pin SCSI adapter, Adaptec cable, and running DISKPART. The DOS implementation on the K2500XS was good to 2Gb because of the physical addressing made possible by the formatting of the drive - it is essentially an adaptation of the floppy drive DOS, not a full HD DOS implementation. IIRC they called it FAT12 - someone may correct me.

This makes it "almost" HD DOS compatible, but with one significant drawback. If you format your internal SCSI drive using the K2500XS operating systems, those higher partitions are not possible. Only DISKPART on the PC could create those higher 2Gb partitions for you. I made it work by removing the 8Gb drive, formatting it as a removeable SCSI drive, and then rebuilding the K2500XS. Crucial to this process was a checkbox against the drive called "INT13" which if set marked the drive as removeble. Microsoft removed this setting in XP and later operating systems.

In reality, one of the best parts of that old Adaptec ISA SCSI card was being able to access the internal drive from Windows. For data back up this was a gift. Provided you did not attempt to access the drive from both systems at once you were fine that is - a sure fire way to screw it up. Data loss is not something I have experienced from the SCSI drive though, so far so good.

I am very interested in finding a solid state solution to both HD and FD in the K2500. Data backup is crucial in any system.
david3day@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 12:24:47 UTC
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Interesting to read Kurzweil's page on this topic where it declares the rules of later O/S model K2500's as:
8Gb, configured as 4 x 2Gb FAT16 partitions, partitioned from within the Kurzweil?! Perhaps it is possible from within later models.

My gut is that FAT16 is what you want, and a Microsoft partitioned/formatted drive might be better than trusting K-series O/S, especially if access from PC is important to you.
Fraser Hutchinson fraser@fraserhutch.net [KurzList]
2017-08-24 15:13:19 UTC
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Jerker Lindborg jerker.lindborg@gmail.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 16:02:33 UTC
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Windows uses FAT16 too apart from FAT32, NTFS and FATex, so there is no problem at all.

Cheers
On an associated note - I have an older external SCSI drive that is formatted for Kurzweil OS. I would like to back it up. Is there a way to export the data? Again, it is not a MS formatted disk.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]
8Gb, configured as 4 x 2Gb FAT16 partitions, partitioned from within the Kurzweil?! Perhaps it is possible from within later models.
My gut is that FAT16 is what you want, and a Microsoft partitioned/formatted drive might be better than trusting K-series O/S, especially if access from PC is important to you.
Jerker Lindborg jerker.lindborg@gmail.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 16:03:39 UTC
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Meant exFAT. Sorry.

Skickat från min iPhone
Post by Jerker Lindborg ***@gmail.com [KurzList]
Windows uses FAT16 too apart from FAT32, NTFS and FATex, so there is no problem at all.
Cheers
On an associated note - I have an older external SCSI drive that is formatted for Kurzweil OS. I would like to back it up. Is there a way to export the data? Again, it is not a MS formatted disk.
Post by ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]
8Gb, configured as 4 x 2Gb FAT16 partitions, partitioned from within the Kurzweil?! Perhaps it is possible from within later models.
My gut is that FAT16 is what you want, and a Microsoft partitioned/formatted drive might be better than trusting K-series O/S, especially if access from PC is important to you.
Jacob Vosmaer contact@jacobvosmaer.nl [KurzList]
2017-08-23 10:48:02 UTC
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I'm using a SCSI2SD v6 from codesrc.com with a 32 GB Samsung evo Micro SD
card. I haven't tried using more than one 2GB 'drive' (yet).
Post by ***@yahoo.com [KurzList]
I have a few 4gb compact flash cards and an 8gb compact flash card. How
can I format them into separate partitions to be read on my K2500XS?
Also I purchased 2 SCSI to SD devices, and could not get the 4gb Micro SD
card to be formatted for use with a K2000RS. Any suggestions? Maybe I'll
buy a smaller Micro SD
Steve Daniels stevedanielson1@yahoo.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 07:19:41 UTC
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Since the K2000 uses the FAT16 file system, you can't go larger than a 2 GB partition. That's a limitation of the old DOS FAT16 file system.
You *could* create multiple partitions on your SD card, but you might want to use smaller cards instead. Larger cards will allow you to store more, but when the cards fail (and they do), you'll lose a lot more, too.
They don't fail very often, but I've had to try to recover data from 3 in the pst 2 years.

Steve

On Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 6:48 AM, Jacob Vosmaer ***@jacobvosmaer.nl [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I'm using a SCSI2SD v6 from codesrc.com with a 32 GB Samsung evo Micro SD card. I haven't tried using more than one 2GB 'drive' (yet).

2017-08-23 12:24 GMT+02:00 ***@yahoo.com [KurzList] <***@yahoogroups.com>:

 


I have a few 4gb compact flash cards and an 8gb compact flash card. How can I format them into separate partitions to be read on my K2500XS?




Also I purchased 2 SCSI to SD devices, and could not get the 4gb Micro SD card to be formatted for use with a K2000RS. Any suggestions? Maybe I'll buy a smaller Micro SD




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John Kiernan wexfordpurplepanda@ymail.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 20:06:36 UTC
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Hi, I was just going to ask a similar SCSI2SD question!
A poster on Gearslutzs says he has partitioned an 8GB SCSI2SD card into 4 x 2GB on the Kurzweil K2000. I assume that's running operating software 3.87?
It appears that he used the SCSI2SD firmware code program to partition & add the SCSI ID numbers on each partition on  the micro SD card.  
One possible problem is that Windows 10 only recognises the 1st partition, but I'm assuming the Kurzweil 3.87 lets you copy contents between different numbered SCSI ID's? So you keep your first partition for copying files over to your PC. 
Has anyone on the user group managed to do this? I'm thinking of getting a 2GB card to try out.
Cheers John K
wexfordpurplepanda@ymail.com [KurzList]
2017-08-24 20:14:17 UTC
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Sorry I meant an 8GB micro SD card to try out on the SCSI2SD.

John K
JAMIE logan jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk [KurzList]
2017-08-24 20:18:36 UTC
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scsi2sd works as lun so turns the card into 4 physical drives with there own
scsi but the card on windows is only seen as one partition you need another type
of software to access it and translator is the only program that can unless you
have scsi on the windows machine and a scsi2sd on it then it will show 4 scsi
disks.
Post by John Kiernan ***@ymail.com [KurzList]
Hi, I was just going to ask a similar SCSI2SD question!
A poster on Gearslutzs says he has partitioned an 8GB SCSI2SD card into 4
x 2GB on the Kurzweil K2000. I assume that's running operating software 3.87?
It appears that he used the SCSI2SD firmware code program to partition &
add the SCSI ID numbers on each partition on the micro SD card.
One possible problem is that Windows 10 only recognises the 1st partition,
but I'm assuming the Kurzweil 3.87 lets you copy contents between different
numbered SCSI ID's? So you keep your first partition for copying files over to
your PC.
Has anyone on the user group managed to do this? I'm thinking of getting a
2GB card to try out.
Cheers John K
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