K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to

[mweirds]

I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.

The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.

I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?

I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).

What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...

I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?

The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?

If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...

Thanks in advance for any and all help!

Best,
Michael.



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[Pearce Cowart]

According to http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/KnowledgeBase.php?product=143&topic=4&entry=23

...you need to remove the termination from the K2000 itself, and make sure it's enabled on the hard drive.

The terminators are located on the Engine Board, near the SCSI jack - there are three socketed resistor packs, just remove them.

(I did this myself successfully, many moons ago... but it was so long ago, that I no longer actually own that K2000!)

Hope this helps,
PC

Post by mweirds
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[Gene Beth]

One end of the cable goes to the circuit board, the other end goes to the scsi drive. Don't worry about the middle connector.

gb

Post by Pearce Cowart
According to http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/KnowledgeBase.php?product=143&topic=4&entry=23
...you need to remove the termination from the K2000 itself, and make sure it's enabled on the hard drive.
The terminators are located on the Engine Board, near the SCSI jack - there are three socketed resistor packs, just remove them.
(I did this myself successfully, many moons ago... but it was so long ago, that I no longer actually own that K2000!)
Hope this helps,
PC

Post by mweirds
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[mweirds]

Thanks for the two follow ups to my original call for help.

The answer turned out to be simple yet I haven't seen reference to this anywhere on the 'net.

The internal SCSI cable connection on the K2000R is backwards. The notch opening is flipped 180 degrees so that if you were to connect a normal SCSI cable to it, the red striped (1) wire would be connected to the last 49/50 pin group and not the 1 pin, as it should be.

Was this done deliberately so Kurzweil could sell a "special" reverse notched SCSI cable?

Anyway, the solution was to remove the notch on my SCSI cable so that I could connect it to the K2000R the right way. I just used a junk soldering iron to hot scrape the notch off and tried not to breathe in any fumes.

After connecting the SCSI cable the right way, the K2000 recognized and was able to format the hard drive just fine.

Gotta look into the termination issue a bit more. From the link provided:

"If you need to have the Kurzweil in the middle of the chain, the termination must be removed."

Right now, the Kurzweil is not in the middle of a chain, since the only other SCSI device I have connected is the internal hard drive... correct? So is removing the termination from the K2000R necessary if this is my setup? Again, things seem to be working fine now. I can read/write to the hard drive.

If I was to connect it to my computer (to use Vast Programmer for example) in the future, I would then want to remove the K2000R termination (and enable termination on the hard drive)... or no?

Thanks again for the replies.

I give credit to JD Wilson from SCSICardReaders.com for his helpful emails and pointing out the notch reversal issue...

Best,
Michael.

Post by Gene Beth
One end of the cable goes to the circuit board, the other end goes to the scsi drive. Don't worry about the middle connector.
gb

Post by Pearce Cowart
According to http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/KnowledgeBase.php?product=143&topic=4&entry=23
...you need to remove the termination from the K2000 itself, and make sure it's enabled on the hard drive.
The terminators are located on the Engine Board, near the SCSI jack - there are three socketed resistor packs, just remove them.
(I did this myself successfully, many moons ago... but it was so long ago, that I no longer actually own that K2000!)
Hope this helps,
PC

Post by mweirds
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[j***@blueyonder.co.uk]

some scsi cables come without notches the internal drive would already have its termination on if not it would not be able to see the scsi drive there are 2 channels on that scsi k2000 controller and when plugging a cable in the external port via comp will be fine as the k2000 is terminated and the comp will have termination 2
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Thanks for the two follow ups to my original call for help.

The answer turned out to be simple yet I haven't seen reference to this anywhere on the 'net.

The internal SCSI cable connection on the K2000R is backwards. The notch opening is flipped 180 degrees so that if you were to connect a normal SCSI cable to it, the red striped (1) wire would be connected to the last 49/50 pin group and not the 1 pin, as it should be.

Was this done deliberately so Kurzweil could sell a "special" reverse notched SCSI cable?

Anyway, the solution was to remove the notch on my SCSI cable so that I could connect it to the K2000R the right way. I just used a junk soldering iron to hot scrape the notch off and tried not to breathe in any fumes.

After connecting the SCSI cable the right way, the K2000 recognized and was able to format the hard drive just fine.

Gotta look into the termination issue a bit more. From the link provided:

"If you need to have the Kurzweil in the middle of the chain, the termination must be removed."

Right now, the Kurzweil is not in the middle of a chain, since the only other SCSI device I have connected is the internal hard drive... correct? So is removing the termination from the K2000R necessary if this is my setup? Again, things seem to be working fine now. I can read/write to the hard drive.

If I was to connect it to my computer (to use Vast Programmer for example) in the future, I would then want to remove the K2000R termination (and enable termination on the hard drive)... or no?

Thanks again for the replies.

I give credit to JD Wilson from SCSICardReaders.com for his helpful emails and pointing out the notch reversal issue...

Best,
Michael.

One end of the cable goes to the circuit board, the other end goes to the scsi drive. Don't worry about the middle connector.
gb

Post by Pearce Cowart
According to http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/KnowledgeBase.php?product=143&topic=4&entry=23
...you need to remove the termination from the K2000 itself, and make sure it's enabled on the hard drive.
The terminators are located on the Engine Board, near the SCSI jack - there are three socketed resistor packs, just remove them.
(I did this myself successfully, many moons ago... but it was so long ago, that I no longer actually own that K2000!)
Hope this helps,
PC

Post by mweirds
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[Christopher Green]

Did you get this sorted out yet?

On Jun 8, 2011, at 2:52 AM, mweirds wrote:

I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?

From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.

I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.

The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.

I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?

I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).

What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...

I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?

The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?

If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...

Thanks in advance for any and all help!

Best,
Michael.





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[Les]

This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.

Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.

Polarisation:
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.

SCSI ID:
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.

Power:
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.

Alternatives:
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[voxdestrukt]

Here's my 2 cents...

I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.

Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.

FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....

No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?

I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.

Best of Luck!

voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[James L Woodley]

I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.
I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.
FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.
Cheers,-JamesW-

--- On Wed, 6/13/12, voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net> wrote:

From: voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net>
Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM
















 









Here's my 2 cents...



I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.



Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.



FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....



No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?



I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.



Best of Luck!



voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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I'll be very interested by your guide, please keep us informed.
Thanks

Post by James L Woodley
I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.
I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.
FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.
Cheers,-JamesW-
Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM
 
Here's my 2 cents...
I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.
Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.
FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....
No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?
I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.
Best of Luck!
voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[jammie]

there is a lot of delay with those 7720u cards

got to the amiga warehouse they have pcd-50b

and pcd-47b drives that will work with the kurzweil and they slot straight into the floppy slot

if you get the pcd-47b then you can address all 3 scsi slots on 3 different scsi id then you can have 3 2gb cards for full access at all times

the pcd-50b has 7 slots but uses luns and samplers dont support luns which are cd dukebox scsi protocol and cd server

so you can only use lun 0 which is the pcmcia slot
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to



I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.
I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.
FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.
Cheers,-JamesW-

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From: voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net>
Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM



Here's my 2 cents...

I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.

Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.

FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....

No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?

I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.

Best of Luck!

voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[jammie]

and as for a guide remove floppy

use power from floppy for the pcd drive connect a 50pin scsi idc ribbon cable

set the termination on on the pcd drive set the scsi id to any other than the scsi id of the kurzweil screw the pcd drive to the fixing holes of the brackets that held the floppy drive

turn on it should scan for the drive put a cf card in and format

these pcd drives are hot swappable as they work on the scsi atapi protocol

the acard 7720u are not hot swappable and cost more for the scsi ide card than what the pcd drives cost then you need a adapter cables 40pin ide idc cable and a ide to cf card drive which depending on what version can cost £15-40

the acard 7720u have prices starting from £70-300

you can by 4-5 pcd drives for the £300 mark
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:10 PM
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there is a lot of delay with those 7720u cards

got to the amiga warehouse they have pcd-50b

and pcd-47b drives that will work with the kurzweil and they slot straight into the floppy slot

if you get the pcd-47b then you can address all 3 scsi slots on 3 different scsi id then you can have 3 2gb cards for full access at all times

the pcd-50b has 7 slots but uses luns and samplers dont support luns which are cd dukebox scsi protocol and cd server

so you can only use lun 0 which is the pcmcia slot
----- Original Message -----
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to

I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.
I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.
FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.
Cheers,-JamesW-

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From: voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net>
Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM

Here's my 2 cents...

I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.

Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.

FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....

No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?

I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.

Best of Luck!

voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[James L Woodley]

Hi Jammie,

What do you mean by delay? I have noticed no delay in my setup. If I swap CF cards, there is sort of a boot delay while the Kurz reads the index, but it happens only when I switch cards. If I use the same card, it boots quickly and disk mode comes up quickly.

I have also tried the PCD-47B with 3.2 firmware (from Mechware) - it did not work with my K2000S - every time it tried to write or format, it would cause the K2000 to reboot. It is possible that the unit was damaged though.

I decided to go with the 7720/Startech combo because I don't like the look of a white, multi slot drive (office equipment) in my Kurz - I wanted a single slot CF in black - simple, clean, intuitive. Also, this combo will fit easily in a K2000R, the PCD-47B cannot.

Cheers,
-JamesW-


--- On Thu, 6/14/12, jammie <***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

From: jammie <***@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 11:10 AM
















 









there is a lot of delay with those 7720u cards



got to the amiga warehouse they have pcd-50b



and pcd-47b drives that will work with the kurzweil and they slot straight into the floppy slot



if you get the pcd-47b then you can address all 3 scsi slots on 3 different scsi id then you can have 3 2gb cards for full access at all times



the pcd-50b has 7 slots but uses luns and samplers dont support luns which are cd dukebox scsi protocol and cd server



so you can only use lun 0 which is the pcmcia slot

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From: James L Woodley

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:59 AM

Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to



I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.

I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.

FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.

Cheers,-JamesW-



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From: voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net>

Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM



Here's my 2 cents...



I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.



Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.



FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....



No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?



I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.



Best of Luck!



voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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[jammie]

its well documented about the delay when going through folders

when scsiforsamplers first sold them he had complaints about it but it was the same for all k2000 it did it on mine

the iodata scsi ide/r worked with out the delay and there was no problem with the k2500

the iodata version 1 cards also suffered from the delay

but the iodata version one cards are the only ones that work with ensoniqs

as i did the testing of them and was the one who told scsiforsamplers what the jumper settings were

it does look better with a single slot cf card i use the startech ones with the ensoniqs
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:39 PM
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Hi Jammie,

What do you mean by delay? I have noticed no delay in my setup. If I swap CF cards, there is sort of a boot delay while the Kurz reads the index, but it happens only when I switch cards. If I use the same card, it boots quickly and disk mode comes up quickly.

I have also tried the PCD-47B with 3.2 firmware (from Mechware) - it did not work with my K2000S - every time it tried to write or format, it would cause the K2000 to reboot. It is possible that the unit was damaged though.

I decided to go with the 7720/Startech combo because I don't like the look of a white, multi slot drive (office equipment) in my Kurz - I wanted a single slot CF in black - simple, clean, intuitive. Also, this combo will fit easily in a K2000R, the PCD-47B cannot.

Cheers,
-JamesW-

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From: jammie <***@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 11:10 AM



there is a lot of delay with those 7720u cards

got to the amiga warehouse they have pcd-50b

and pcd-47b drives that will work with the kurzweil and they slot straight into the floppy slot

if you get the pcd-47b then you can address all 3 scsi slots on 3 different scsi id then you can have 3 2gb cards for full access at all times

the pcd-50b has 7 slots but uses luns and samplers dont support luns which are cd dukebox scsi protocol and cd server

so you can only use lun 0 which is the pcmcia slot

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From: James L Woodley

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 2:59 AM

Subject: Re: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to

I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.

I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.

FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.

Cheers,-JamesW-

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From: voxdestrukt <***@lanrosta.net>

Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to

To: ***@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM

Here's my 2 cents...

I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.

Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.

FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....

No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?

I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.

Best of Luck!

voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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Has anyone tried the SCSI to USB adapters for use with flash drives or external hard drives?
They may require a special driver, if so that would be a problem.

Gary


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I agree with VoxD, a hard drive was a good option 15 years ago, but technology has come along since. The CF setup will not generate as much heat or draw as much power from the supply. and it's easier to transfer large amounts of data.
I actually just started writing up a guide today since I was bored at work and have spent alot of time researching this very thing - I'll try to take pics this weekend as I will be installing a CF on my other K2000.
FWIW, I use an Acard 7720UW with a 68/50 pin adapter w/high byte termination. The 7720U requires no adapter. Addonics or StarTech drive works, and so far, every CF card that I have tried worked without problems.
Cheers,-JamesW-

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Subject: [KL] Re: K2000R internal hard drive installation how-to
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Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:24 PM



Here's my 2 cents...

I never had any luck using a daisy chain SCSI cable (more than 1 device on the chain). I had to use a 1 to 1 SCSI cable for things to work. These are $5 on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110894296695). Don't feck around with the cables that do not have the notch on them because you could damage the SCSI or K2000 if you hook it up wrong. The notch is correct, despite what some returd said in that post a long time ago about cutting off the notch from the cable to install it the other way. Just buy the new SCSI single cable with the notch and things will be straight. You also won't have to worry about the cable being old and cracked.

Make sure the drive is getting power to it. Test this with a DVM.

FWIW, It is pointless to put a SCSI Hard Disk Drive into the K2000. It is difficult to use this way to get data onto the drive from an external source when inside the K2000. Just get an external enclosure and use it that way. Then you can copy stuff to/from the computer to the drive, and then back into the K2000. or better yet....

No, CF cards are not a fad! They are the modern and logical way to go and they make it extremely easy and fast to move data between the K2000 and a PC and vice-verse. They are small and can hold the full 2GB drive size on one small CF card, plus they are super fast to load data from. It's like having removable 2GB SSD drives for your K2000! What could be better than this?

I have installed CF Cards in both my K2000's. It wasn't cheap (about $150 each), but totally worth it. If you need details on how I did it, I can document it for you. But, the hardest part is finding the IO Data IDSC21 SCSI to IDE Adapter as these are no longer made and from my experience and past conversations with SCSI4Samplers dude, is the only SCSI to IDE adapter that will work in the K2000. Prices for those can range from $80 up to $275. Sometimes they are on ebay, but often way overpriced. I recommend doing a Google search for them elsewhere.

Best of Luck!

voxD

Post by Les
This is a very old thread, but there are a couple of points worth raising I thought.
Extra drops: 3 connectors instead of two never seemed to hurt a working narrow scsi chain, though I tend to keep it in the nmiddle of the run if I can, and would cut ift off it was a long overhang.
No firm reason why.
If you get one of the 50 pin connectors in the wrong way round, all data lines get shorted. This makes the unit fail to boot.
It's possible if the polarising bump is missing on any connector.
Pin 1 is usually the one that mates with the red traced wire in the 50 way ribbon. Many cables have no red trace, or the bumps.
If you get the scsi id jumpers on the drive the wrong end round ( if you follow me) then your id 0 or 1 jumper might be 0 or 4.
If you have anopther drive on the chain, this will throw you off track until you have a close look.
Many old drives have poorly (I think) detailed jumper block information.
Often there's a factory fitted lump in the middle which deals with parity and spin up or similar arcane activities. Sometimes it's hard to see which one is the termination enable and which is the terminate from cable or drive.
There are enough variables to confuse-a-cat.
All this happened to me long enough ago for me to have forgotten about it until I re-read this post.
I was saved by the manufacturer's published data on the drives I had, but I haven't had a lot of luck tracking that kind of info more recently.
If you can read the part number, old boys like me may still have the dat saved on an old HD or CD. I did used to do that in the old days, I didn't trust the freely available information theory.
It was too new. I wondered who would fund it . Forever?
Nah, can't believe it.
If the drive you hang onto a working scsi chain makes it stop, it can be because that final drive has no power arriving to it.
This is easily missed. Molex connectors aren't perfect, pins and sockets recede sometimes, splitters give up.
It's been said before by wiser men. Old SCSI drives aren't the way forward. Bearings are beyond their specified useful lifetime.
Who knows what's going on with the heads and disc surface
( rhetorical, I don't, and don't want to think about it).
Even a jaz drive would be better, at least the bearings are inside a removable part.
I reckon Zip100, Jaz1Gb to and from a PC, with multiple backups of admittedly well distributed files, at least as the Kurzweil libraries are concerned.
Isn't CF a passing fad, like pcmcia?
And, though they are more tangible (at least for now)
like the Ether or Phlogiston?

Post by Christopher Green
Did you get this sorted out yet?
I haven't found a guide to installing an internal hard drive for my K2000R and wondering if anyone on this list could give me a walk-thru?
From net searching and reading some posts here, I've put together some information, yet still haven't had success with my attempts.
I'm using a K2000R w/ the latest OS 3.87J.
The scsi drive I've been attempting to connect seems to fall within the tolerable ranges of power consumption that I've read about. It's a 1GB IBM drive.
I'm using a 50-pin ribbon cable that has a total of three connectors. It was the only one I could find lying around. Does it matter that the cable I've been trying to use has three connectors when only 2 are needed (one for the board/unit and one for the internal drive)?
I've tried some different jumper settings: changed the internal drive's SCSI ID to 0 and 1 (I could change it to others but haven't tried yet... just read that the ID shouldn't be 6), set a jumper to "enable terminator" (also tried w/o this jumper setting), set a jumper to "disable auto spin-up" (also tried w/o this jumper setting).
What happens so far is that with the drive connected with internal power and the scsi cable attached, lights go on the K2000R but nothing appears on the screen and the OS never loads, even though the HD power light goes on (and if I have the jumper set for it to auto spin-up, it spins). If I have the power connected to the drive without the scsi cable connected, the HD powers up and the K2000R will load into its OS just fine...
I've seen reference online to a hard drive installation kit. From the image, it looks like it's just a 50-pin scsi ribbon cable and some screws. Is this really the case? Is the ribbon cable special in some way that would be different from the one I'm using?
The other thing that may be a factor here is that I have no idea what might be on this scsi hard drive. It was pulled from a computer at some point and I haven't formatted it. I was hoping that I would be able to from within the K2000R OS, like I would format a floppy disk... maybe this isn't the case? If the drive I'm trying to use has its own OS on it (from when it was in a computer), would that prevent the K2000 OS from loading?
If more info about my equipment would be helpful, I would be happy to provide...
Thanks in advance for any and all help!
Best,
Michael.
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The most critical thing to watch for when using SCSI cables internally that are generic, is to confirm that the cables are installed with pin1 matching correctly on both ends.  You may have to cut off the key on the connector that plugs into the K's motherboard.
 
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Both Les and RB are correct about pin one to pin one.  If your scsi ribbon cable has a notch on theconnector, take a diagonal cutter and cut off the notch on one end of your 50 pin cable.  This will allow a pin one to pin one connection.  You can also take a razor or box cutter and slice off the extra cable and connector.


Also, if your drive on start up draws more current that the K2000 can muster, you can swap the 7812 scsi 12 volt regulator IC3 in the power supply with a 78T12.  The 78T12 will provide 50% more current. You can also beef up the 12V scsi circuit board traces with wire under the board(factory revision on all K2500R) as these were a bit on the small size. Note that the K2500R uses a K2000R power supply

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The most critical thing to watch for when using SCSI cables internally that are generic, is to confirm that the cables are installed with pin1 matching correctly on both ends.  You may have to cut off the key on the connector that plugs into the K's motherboard.
 
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